Bodyguard Mykola Melnychenko (center) with President Leonid Kuchma (left) and Health Minister Raissa Bohatyriova (right), September 1999. |
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Date of recording: 08 June 2000 Note: all transcriptions of the conversations are rendered phonetically into Ukrainian characters. The notation (...), which is to say three dots between parentheses, signifies that the sound was unintelligible, most likely a single word, whereas the notation ... (three dots without parentheses) signifies more than one unintelligible word. Warning! Irregular vocabulary! Reproduced in the language of the original. |
����� 25 | Episode 25 |
��������� ��������� � �������� ������� ��� �������� ��������. | The President talks to the then head of the SBU, Leonid Derkach. |
�����: ��, �� ������? | Kuchma: So, what's new? |
������: ��, �-� �������. | Derkach: Well, we're following it up [literally persecuting]. |
�����: ��, �� �? | Kuchma: Then where is it? |
? ������: ��, �� (�� ������� ?) (�). | ? Derkach: Well, about (the faggot ?) (...). |
�����: ��, �� �� ��������, (� ���� ?), � ���� �������� ���. Һ� �� (��� ?). (���� ��� ?). �� �, ������, �� �� ������������ �����, ���, ��� �� ��� ����. | Kuchma: Well, they're faggots (in that [place] ?), that's for sure. You are (called such ?). (Above the forehead ?). It was you who said that you were conducting an investigation, who, who turned it over to the court. |
������: (��������������) � ����� ��� �� ������� (� ��� ?). � ��� (� �), � ��� ����, ���� ���, � ����.. | Derkach: (defensively) I'm turning over to you all the material (that I have ?). I have (...), I'm [turning over] to you at this time, all of this, I'm [turning over] everything.. |
�����: (������) ͺ, �� �� ��� ����� �� ������! ������, ���������� ������ �������� �� (�). | Kuchma: (shouting) No, tell me in words! [orally, right now, rather than in writing later] This means that a criminal investigation [has been instituted] concerning (...). |
������: (������, ��������������) � ��� ��� ����� ����� �������, �� �������� ���� ��������� (�) ��� ������. �-�-�, � ��� ���� (�� � ̲�� ��� ?) ������. �� ����� � ���� � �������! | Derkach: (shouting defensively) I'm giving you the surname of that man, the closest of the two is Omelchenko (...) one from Canada. Uh, I have right now (from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs) of Canada. Because of this, everything is out in the open! |
�����: (������) ��� ����� � ���� �����? | Kuchma: (shouting) Is this the one who published it? |
������: ��� ����� � ��������! ��! | Derkach: The one who published it on the Internet! Yes! |
�����: � ��� �����? �� � ��, (������� ?) ����� � �����. | Kuchma: But how did he do it? Didn't he have to (split, break himself ?) tenfold? [various meanings are conceivable: "Did he fool you?" or perhaps "Hasn't it been broken up to ten times?" or perhaps "Wasn't he pretending?" or perhaps "Did he expect to be asked not to do this?"] |
������: (�� ��� ?), (� ��� ������ ?). | Derkach: (Well, no ?), (they've got channels ?) [meaning "they have methods of communication that we haven't been able to penetrate"] |
�����: ��, ��� �� �� �������� ��, (��� ������� ?), (�����, �� ?). | Kuchma: Well, he refers to (the expert himself ?), (they were saying that ?). |
������: (������, ��������������) � ��� �����, ������, � ��� ���� ��! | Derkach: (shouting defensively) I'll presently [show] you, just a second, I'll presently [show] you! |
�����: ������ ��������� ���� � ���� �����. | Kuchma: [And you] let them testify on this thing [the Internet, and did nothing about it?]. |
������: � ��� ����� �������! | Derkach: I'll explain it to you right now! |
�����: ������! | Kuchma: Good! |
������: ̳���� ����! � ���� �����, ˺���� ��������! | Derkach: One moment! I have done everything, Leonid Danylovych! |
(���� �������� ������, �� �� ��������, �� �� ������������� ��������) | (one can hear a sound signal, either from a telephone or an intercom) |
�����: (��� � ? ��� ������ ?). (�) (������ ?). | Kuchma: (Good ?). (...) (Natasha ?) |
�����: (�������� �� ��������) ������� ���! �� � �� ������, (�� ?), � ��������� �������, (��������� ������� ?). �������, � ���� �� ��� � ���� �������, ���� ��������, ���� ����. ���� ��.., � ������ ������. (�쳺����) � ����� ������� �-�-� �������! (�����) ������! (�����) ������. (�����) �������, �� ���. ������, ��, ��� ��� ��������� �������. ������ �������� �������, ���� �� ���. �������, �� �������� ���� ���������� ���������. (�����) (�) ���� ����������, ���� ����������! �������, ������� �� ������ ���������� � �������� �� ����� �����. ������� ���, ��-� � ������� �������� ���������� ����. ��, �� � �����, �� � ������� �������� ���������� �. (�����) ���, � ��������, �������, ������ �����, �� ��� ������ ��� ������� ���������� ����� ���������� �������� � �����? �� �� ����� �����������. (�����) � �� ���, �, (���� �������� ?) ������� ����� ����. �, � ������, �� ������, ���, ��� ������� ���.., ����� �������. (�� ����� ����� ����������) | Kuchma: (speaking on the telephone) Hello! You haven't forgotten, (on ?), at seventeen thirty, (seventeen thirty ?). So, I have one question for you, one request, and here it is. It has to do with.., from one perspective. (laughs) There is a certain Lubomyr uh Prytula! (pause) Canada! (pause) Canada! Well, he's on his way. It means, well, that he is a member of the Ukrainian diaspora there. He manages the Ukrainian Archive, or something like that. So, he's a close friend of Oleksander Omelchenko. (pause) (...) Of Hrysha Omelchenko, of Hrysha Omelchenko! So he recently threw information out on the Internet in his own name. This Prytula, that I'm preparing the murder of Hrysha Omelchenko. Yes, that I'm preparing, that I ordered the murder of Omelchenko. (pause) Yes, do you remember that film of a while ago, we ran about Omelchenko's appearances before the Ukrainian diaspora in Canada? He organized that too. (pause) And he is (actually inciting ?) the diaspora against me there. And, and all in all, they say that it's all, all Marchuk's former team. (at this point, the tape ends) |