Witnesses for the prosecution in transcripts01.html
(Jerusalem, Feb. 16, 1987 - Apr. 24, 1988)
SUMMARY of English-language TRANSCRIPTS
Pinchas Epstein; T000620 - 945; 1987/02/23-24
[1987/02/23, Mon.; T000620, Vol. 2; Epstein]
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T000633 - Franz, one of the more notorious ones, ...
T000634 - Franz cracked open his face ...
T000740 - Polish original of Epstein statement on June 7, 1960 at 1:30 P.M. to Mr. Polishevsky of Israeli police.
T000750 - At 1964-65 Dusseldorf trials, Epstein did not identify Schmidt.
T000769f - Epstein claims that Nikolai wore black uniform, whereas in 1960 he expressly said the Nikolai did NOT wear a black uniform. (Implies that Nikolai is the first name of Schmidt.)
[1987/02/24, Tue.; T000795, Vol. 2; Epstein]
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T000885 - "Lulke would appear and would torment inmates without any
reason whatsoever. He had a sort of blood thirst, he had this dog, a
Bernadine dog, the dog was called Barry and Barry he would call Mensch
and he would call the inmates Hund. He would call the dog and say
'Mensch beiss der Hund', [Bite the dogs] and the dog was commanded to
bite them brutally."
T000885 - "I want to point out another form of brutality of Lulke, he would choose an inmate, he would pick one out, and as I said, when an SS person addressed an inmate the inmate had to stand up tall and take off his hat. He would stand there smirking and would stretch his glove and would give a blow with his fist at the victim until the victim - so long as Lulke didn't see blood, he didn't stop.
T000885-6 - "Another thing, when Lulke appeared, Kurt Franz with his dog, the earth shook, because of our terror, our fear, not only we shook, the very earth shook. As though a spirit had descended. And his nickname , Lulke, comes from the fact, if the Court knows what Lulke means, it means doll. he was a good looking man, a handsome man and that's where he got his nickname Lulke. He was a creature who knew no bounds. He was never satisfied. One of the most terrible sadists on earth. That was Lulke with his dog Barry."
T000913 - When Epstein arrived for Demjanjuk Cleveland trial,
Ukrainians were demonstrating and burning the Russian flag: "KGB
representatives had arrived for the Ivan Trial".
T000937 - Epstein testimony of June 13, 1961 (about 1 year after his June 7, 1960 testimony)
T000938 - Epstein: "I spoke Hebrew and Mr. Paluschewsky wrote in Polish"
- Levin: "It seems rather odd."
***** End of Epstein testimony in Vol. 2****
Eliyahu Rosenberg; T000947 - 1274; 1987/02/25 - 26; Vol. 2
[1987/02/25, Wed.; T000947, Vol. 2; Rosenberg]
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T000962 - Again, roll call, Lalke and now I use the name Lalke, because he was the organizer of these Apells in camp 1 at that time.
T000964 - "Then this Lalke again pulled out a certain group of these people, about 30 people. They were slaughtered on the spot."
T000967 - spent more than 11 months at Treblinka until uprising on Aug 2, 1943.
[So Rosenberg must have arrived mid-August and Kurt Franz was already there.]
T000973 - Throughout his stay, Rosenberg was engaged in removing corpses from the 3 small gas chambers. "... large gas chambers which were going up when I arrived, and were completed at a later stage."
T000988 - Building of new gas chambers, "By then there was a group of builders at work."
T000995-6 - enormous engine turned on and after 20 minutes it was turned off.
T001008 - T0001009; February 25, 1987:
Rosenberg: "As we were filling up the pits with the corpses, I'm speaking about these vast pits. The pits somehow rose up and this -- as we had covered it -- the whole thing would suddenly rise up and it served as a kind of volcano from which a thick, viscous sort of material rose-colored and it was bubbling. It was a sort of vulcanized type of matter and the pit and the earth on top of the pit would rise up and then would suddenly drop, would subside. I don't understand anything about the chemistry of this, but this is how it happened. And in these pits, to the extent that it had subsided, it had sunk, well we would top it up again. There was a man, one of the inmates -- Moshe Lodger -- he was carrying a bucket and he was pouring chlorine onto the pit. That's all I know. And this is, as I say, what happened to the pit and the corpses in the pit."
[Note: Epstein refered to chlorine powder.]
T001023 - "To the best of my recollection, there was one schlauch, not two.
T001067 - In 1960 before Eichman trial, Rosenberg gave evidence before Gouldman
T001069 - May 11, 1976 interview with Miriam Radiwker
T001079 - Dec. 25, 1979 interview by Martin Kolar
T001082 - Arrived in Treblinka with mother and 3 sisters just before Rosh Hashanna, the Jewish New Year in 1942. [Saturday, Sept. 11, 1942]
T001087 - O'Connor implies that in 1978 he said he was sent to Treblinka on the eve of Yom Kippur. [Presumably, there is less than 2 weeks between Rosh Hashanna and Yom Kippur.]
T001088 - O'Connor: Do you recall being asked the question on June 6, 1961 [Eichmann trial], "and on July 11, 1942, you were deported to Treblinka"?
T001090 - statement on Nov. 11, 1960 before investigator Pakad Goldman [Gouldman] "... on 11/06/42 [i.e. June 11, 1942] the Germans deported me, my mother, three sisters together with other Jews from the Ghetto to Treblinka."
T001093 - Shortly after escaping on Aug. 2, 1943, Rosenberg joined a group of Ukrainian partisans. "I joined fighters, Ukrainian fighters there were russians among them too, they were people who were fighting against negative characters, Nazis and Ukrainians who had slaughtered Jews. [i.e. the Communist partisans who perpetrated war crimes against the civilian population.]
T0001097 - After advance of Red Army, Rosenberg tried to join the Red Army, was rejected and joined the Polish Army.
T001100 - Mother's name = Rivka Auslander
T001112 - "There was Lalke, he came and he slashed, he took rather a group out of our line, a group of Jews and he sent them off to a certain spot where we heard them being shot."
T001116 - Rosenberg testimony re Matis on Feb.12, 1961 and April 17, 1961.
T001128 - "The motor, the diesel engine, which pumped the gas into the gas chamber had a different kind of noise, totally different type of noise from the generator. The generator had a different noise, ..."
[Yitzhak Arad had testified a few days earlier that there was only one engine in Treblinka and that it also served as a generator. It would be interesting to see what Rosenberg said in this regard at the Eichmann and Dusseldorf trials.]
[1987/02/26, Thu.; T001136, Vol. 2, Rosenberg]
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T001142 - Diesel engine was in same building as small gas chambers, but there was no access to it from inside.
T001160-2 - in late 1944, Rosenberg wrote down things in Yiddish and handed it to Christian woman Mrs. Mageisterwasser in Lublin at request of Birman, head of committee of "congregating" Jews.
T001178 - Controversy about Rosenberg's threatening phone call to Tuvia Friedman, who recorded Rosenberg's Dec. 24, 1947 deposition.
T001182 - O'Connor:"..we fully intend to call Mr. Friedman as witness"
T001204 - [tav/12,nun/7] Rosenberg's "24.12.47" deposition to Tuvia Friedman
T001207 - 4 or 5 lines missing in this document. [NO EXPLANATION]
T001209 - Born 10 May 1924 is for Underground purposes. (Real date is 10 May 1921.)
T001210f - Eliyahu Rosenberg had a paper with the above birth date and a false name which allowed him to move freely through Vienna in 1947.
T001215-26 - Dec. 22, 1983 Rosenberg interview with Martin Kolar in which his date of birth is recorded as 1924.
T001273 - Reference to letter of Tuvia Friedman to judges Levin, Dorner and Tal, and secretariat response thereto.
**** End of Rosenberg testimony in Vol. 2 ****
Eliyahu Rosenberg; T001275 - 1495; 1987/03/02; Vol. 3
[1987/03/02, Mon.; T001275, Vol. 3; Rosenberg]
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T001298 - Infrequently, trains arrived late , such that people would be gassed at night and the corpses removed in the morning.
T001300 - Operation of big gas chambers got underway 2 - 2.5 months after Rosenberg's arrival at Treblinka on Jewish New Year [i.e. Nov. 11-25, 1942 since Rosh Hashanna was Saturday, Sept. 11, 1942].
T001306 - Nun/8 = Photostatic copy of Rosenberg deposition Nov. 2, 1960 to Israeli police indicating that date of deportation from Warsaw was 11/6/42 = June 11, 1942.
T001311 - At Eichmann trial (June 6, 1961, Rosenberg stated that he was 35 years old (rather than 40).
T001319 - When Rosenberg arrived, there were first indications of autumn; construction of 10 large chambers had started; may have finished in 6 or 8 weeks.
T001323 - Seldom were both large and small gas chambers used simultaneously; for 5000 people 5 or 6 large chambers were used; for 400 only 1 small chamber was used. [THE MECHANICS OF THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.] Only one case in 1943 of Jews from grodno revolting.
T001347 - Demjanjuk outburst "Atah Shachran" [You are a liar] to Eliyahu Rosenberg.
T001349f - Nun/9 = Feb. 11, 1961 statement of Rosenberg to Polishevsky (in Polish)indicating his date of arrival in Treblinka was Aug. 20, 1942 and his date of birth was May 10, 1924. (Rosenberg claims he was speaking Hebrew and Polishevsky wrote it down in Polish.) Nun/9a = Hebrew translation thereof.
T001370 - Two more statements of Oct. 24, 1983 and Feb. 5, 1984 (before Judge Steinmetz and Judge Daniella Wechsler).
T001374f - Miriam Radiwker phoned Rosenberg several days before she came to his office in Jaffa port to interview him about Ukrainians. radiwker had earlier placed ads in the newspapers "looking for witnesses of Ukrainian Nazis, or Ukrainian murderers in death camp Treblinka".
[Why is there no NUN defense document of this advertisement archiving it in the court records?]
T001379 - Rosenberg spoke Hebrew and Radiwker wrote in German.
T001381 - Later Rosenberg went to police headquarters to sign a typed Hebrew version.
T001388 - Nun/10 = printout of Rosenberg testimony at the Eichmann trial June 6, 1961 (where he claims his age is 35 rather than 40).
T001389 - Shaked: "There is no Hebrew version of the deposition written by Mrs Radiwker", (which contradicts Rosenberg's testimony on T001381).
T001455 - Sonia Lefkowitz worked as a secretary at Yad Vashem.
T001463 - about 250 people were in the living barracks of Rosenberg. His statement to Inspector Goldman on Nov. 2, 1960 states that the uprising was Sept. 2, 1943 (not Aug. 2, 1943).
T001471 - Sheftel: In Radiwker interview on May 11, 1976, Rosenberg pointed to picture 16; but in Kolar interview on Apr. 13, 1978, he pointed to picture 17.
**** END of Rosenberg testimony in Vol. 3 ****
Yosef Czarny; T001496 - 1687; 1987/03/03, Tue.; Vol. 3
T001497 - Born 1926-07-27 in Warsaw, 3 sisters; entered ghetto in 1940
T001523 - "Amongst them was one SS man by name of Lalke whom I got to know on the very first day" ... "all of them were sadists but Lalke outdid everyone else."
T001524 - The Lazarette was at the very edge of the sorting place - camoflaged, green, pit, Red Cross flag, Jew from Czenstohoff, tidy room, chair, table, led to pit, shot and rolled straight onto the fire, rubbish pit with fire day and night.
T001527 - Arrived in Treblinka near end of October 1942 (ground frost); sorting until after Passover (May)
T001528f - Transferred to Hofjuden detail by Lalke after beating and polishing boots.
T001530 - "Your Honors, in Treblinka there was another murderer, not a human being -- he was a dog and this dog was called Bari. It was Lalke's dog. I remember this dog, Your Honors. Quite big, with brown spots and this dog had an adjutant -- an assistant -- I was told that he wasn't a Jew, he was related to the President of Czechoslovakia at the time -- Jan Masaryk. I don't know why he had got there. He may have had a Jewish wife. But he was the adjutant of this dog. And this dog -- at the time that I had to transport one thing -- from one place to another -- Lalke would promenade with this dog and he would say to one: mensch, man, take this dog and this dog had been trained to snap off the genitals, the sexual organ." ... "But whoever was called out for this and he would say -- he would call to this dog. And the dog would tear of the sexual organ and of course, blood would flow all over the place. And he would walk with his legs astride."
T001534f - Lalke found Czarny asleep in loft for which he was whipped at roll call.
T001557 - Shaked: "... But on the twelveth of April 1947 you came to then Palestine."
T001567 - "This is the Revierstube." "Well, this is where Dr. Hroshovski was - a sort of sick bay, and this is where Lalke lived. This shed is where Lalke lived, marked 10 on the model, ..."
T001580f - Czarny was contacted by Miriam Radiwker to come for interview on Sept. 21, 1976; 2:15 pm - 7 hand written pages in German
T001599 - Czarny testified in Dusseldorf in 1965 (Kurt Franz + 10 other Germans), and Fort Lauderdale, Florida in 1978 (Fedorenko case) In 1983, Czarny gave deposition before Judge David Steinmetz in Tel Aviv.
T001606 - In November 1959, a letter was sent to Czarny from Ludwigsburg (in German with a Hebrew copy) describing his experiences in Treblinka, which he was required to sign.
T001608 - Nov. 1959: "I recall only Kurt Franz. The rest I recall only according to their looks and not their names. I was only 15 years old at that time." [But in his testimony Czarny claimed that he did not know that Lalke was Kurt Franz until the 1965 Dusseldorf trials.]
T001613 - Letter of Nov. 1959: "He was the biggest sadist in the camp. I have once, although it was forbidden, laid down in the chicken pen. He found me out through his tracking dog which had the name of Barri. He has trained the dog to bite. The dog bit me. At the roll call I was asked what I have done. I responded in Yiddish "Slept on the ground". That brought about some laughter. As a result I was tied to a trestle and got 25 stick lashes."
T001631 - distance between the centre of the "sortierenplatz" and the Lazarette was 50 to 60 meters or less.
T001638 - Mountain = embankment 5 or 6 meters high running along perimeter.
T001644 - When Czarny had typhoid, he spent 2 or 3 days in the Revierstube tended by Dr. Charanjewski (Horenjewski). He was killed either because Lalke saw valuables under the doctor's coat or because he tried to kill Lalke with a scalpel.
T001649 - Kapo Blau was small, fat, 60 years old, Austrian Jew, and in charge of the kitchen with his wife.
T001652 - Ivan and the "Ukrainians" wore dark khaki-colored uniforms. [NOT BLACK], whereas the Germans wore green uniforms.
T001655 - Fedorenko was with SS [???]
T001663 - Group who flew TWA to the Fedorenko trial in Florida in 1978 stayed in the same hotel: Turovski, Eli Rosenberg, Cohen, Shalom, Sonia Lefkowitz, Borax, Epstein, Czarny and 3 Israeli police (Kolar, Radiwker and unknown)
T001666 - Re Radiwker ID session Sept. 21, 1976 1:00 pm: "I remember that there were two times." "Once when it was Fedorenko and once when it was about Ivan ... ."
T001671 - Another deposition on the same day at 2:15 pm in which presumably Czarny did point to picture 16.
**** END of Czarny testimony in Vol. 3****
Gustav Boraks; T001688 - 1795; 1987/03/04, Wed.; Vol. 3
IT IS OBVIOUS FROM THE TRANSCRIPTS THAT BORAKS WAS SENILE
T001690 - Born in 1901 in Wielun, Poland
T001694 - Smuggled into Czestochowa ghetto with wife and 2 children
T001695 - Taken to Treblinka about Yom Kippur via 40 hr. train ride.
"Fedorenko and Ivan came up to the cars and pulled us out of the train"
T001699 - Became barber, 15 or 16 barbers cutting hair of women
T001702 - "Lalke would ride his horse and he had in his hand a gun and when we were in the toilets there was a sort of latrine covered with straw, he would shoot into the latrine."
T001704 - Ukrainians wore green clothing; the SS wore grey clothing
T001705 - Did camoflaging - went into forest to cut branches
T001707 - Deposition before Mrs Radiwker written in German dated Sept. 30, 1976 at 10:00 am [Later 11:45 am, 10:10 am]
T001709 - Ivan wore green clothing [Shaked tries to remind him otherwise.]
T001710 - Feb. 3, 1981 deposition to Martin Kolar.
[Was not the Demjanjuk Cleveland trial already in progress?]
T001711 - A survivor in Israel, Martin Grey, was (apparently) shown the photographs.
T001716 - "He [Ivan] used to roam around the area where we used to cut the women's hair." ... "The women were wearing very nice clothing."
T001721f - Sept. 19, 1967 deposition to Ida Yarkoni of Yad Vashem in which he forgot name of his youngest son.
T001723f - travelled from Israel to Florida for fedorenko trial in 1978 by train; with Sonia Lefkowitz, Martin Kolar, Miriam Radiwker with her husband, Boraks with his wife; the wives of other witnesses also came.
T001734 - The witnesses all sat together in the Florida courtroom. Witnesses and Kolar/Radiwker ate together. [Judge Rotger was presumably "unfair" to Israeli witnesses.]
T001744 - Nun/12 - p.620 of Boraks testimony at Fedorenko trial 1978
Nun/13 - p.695 of Boraks testimony at Fedorenko trial 1978
[Presumably related to color of Ivan's uniform.]
T001748 - Suchomil saved Boraks from death.
T001753 - Deposition before Radiwker, written down by Adam Luxam at 11:45 am. [Time conflicts with T001707]
T001757 - From 1976-09-30 testimony of Boraks before Radiwker:
"The hairdresser room was first for several weeks on a site at Camp Number One in the barracks where the women had to undress in a separated room of the barrack. This barrack was at a distance of about 50 meters from the gas chambers, which were in camp number two. Later, the hairdresser room was in camp number two in the same building where the gas chambers were located."
T001763 - "... he [Ivan] and Fedorenko would come up to the boxcars and throw out the people in them."
T001773 - tav/14 = p.619 of Boraks testimony at Fedorenko trial 1978; reference to Boraks testimony in 1965 Dusseldorf trial
T001792 - tav/14, tav/15 = pages 10, 11 of Boraks testimony at Fedorenko trial 1978
T001793 - "Lalka and Mitter both commanded me to take off my clothes in order to enter into the annihilation section because my sister-in-law and her two children had wept in my arms, and then Suchomil said that I am a good barber and that he would let me stay alive."
T001794 - Boraks is obviously senile - flew to U.S. from Poland, from Katowitz, from Czestochowa, heard name Demjanjuk in Treblinka, etc.
**** End of Boraks testimony in Vol. 3 ****
Alexander Ish-Shalom; T001796 - 1925; 1987/03/05; Vol. 3
[1987/03/05, Thu.; T001796, Vol. 3; Ish-Shalom]
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T001796 - Deputy Commander of the Division for the Investigation of Severe Crimes
T001797 - Specially formed in 1985 to handle John Demjanjuk, who was extradited to Israel on Friday, Feb. 28, 1986.
T001799 - Team consisted of 6 people including Rusak, Ariel, Tamari, Ms. Eti Hye [Esther Hai], Isar Sobelman (spoke Ukrainian) + Ish-Shalom
T001801 - Demjanjuk was delivered to Israel by two U.S. marshalls - Schreider and Kori [Cory?]
T001804f - Arranged for Patricia Smith (lecturer at dental school in Jerusalem) to prepare report.
T001805 - Planted Ukrainian-speaking Aryeh Kaplan as guard in Ayalon prison to get Demjanjuk to talk. [But Kaplan speaks only Russian, not Ukrainian!]
T001806f - Attempts to enter hearsay evidence of Schreider and Kory implying Demjanjuk's guilt.
T001812 - Built a special building to interrogate Demjanjuk and house the guards.
- Interrogation was conducted in English, Sobelman would translate into Ukrainian (when requested by Demjanjuk)
T001814 - "There is a statement which the accused did not sign."
T001819 - Tav/16 = memorandum of Ish-Shalom dated 1986-03-03
T001824f - Ish-Shalom reading tav/16 which was written by Tamari
- Jewish kapo head of Demjanjuk's work group, Demjanjuk could not recall any names at all.
- "But he [Demjanjuk] noted that before the end of the war, he had not known any German."
T001837 - Tav/17 = Demjanjuk interrogation in afternoon of 1986-03-03 which Demjanjuk: "I refuse to sign without the approval of my attorney."
T001838f - attempted interrogations March 6, March 9, 1986
T001840 - Tav/18 = Demjanjuk (Ish-Shalom, 1986-03-09) interrogation
T001843 - Tav/19 = Demjanjuk (Ish-Shalom, 1986-03-17) interrogation
T001844 - Tav/20 = Demjanjuk 1940-41 Red Army photo (confirmed by Demjanjuk)onMarch 17, 1986. although it was supplied by Ministry of Justice of Israel, Ish-Shalom doesn't know where it came from.
T001846 - Tav/21 = Demjanjuk driver's license with photo issued 1947-10-??
T001847 - Tav/22 = Demjanjuk's entry application to the USA in 1951
T001849 - Tav/22 contains the photo from which photo 16 of the photo spreads was developed.
T001858 - Armand hammer "saw to it that the original document through him reached the State of Israel" O'Connor demands "chain of custody".
T001861 - Tav/24 = photo of Demjanjuk US naturalization certificate.
T001862 - Levin does not allow John Demjanjuk Jr. to participate in O'Connor's consultation with Mr. Demjanjuk.
T001866 - Tav/25 = album of 43 pictures for ID purposes
T001875f - Ish-Shalom reads out Demjanjuk "alibi" tav/27.
T001878 - Tav/28 = Demjanjuk (Ish-Shalom, 1986-03-20) interrogation
T001880 - Tav/29 = Demjanjuk (Ish-Shalom, 1986-03-24) interrogation
T001883 - Tav/31 = Demjanjuk (Ish-Shalom, 1986-04-11) interrogation in which Demjanjuk states that he was never in Sobibor and perhaps he said Sambor to the IRO representative.
T001885 - Tav/32 = IRO form 1948-03-?? to allow Demjanjuk to emigrate to Canada or Argentina.
- Tav/32a = writings of the interviewer for tav/32 [NO NAME IS GIVEN. It would be important to interview this person.]
T001889 - Tav/33 = interrogation 1986-04-15 - "Obviously, it refers to Sambor, the second Sobibor."
T001890 - Kaplan photographed all letters to and from Demjanjuk.
T001891 - tav/34 = Ish-Shalom memorandum dated 1986-05-28 of conversations with Demjanjuk: "There was one man who wrote down for me in Latin Sambor, and we found Sambor on a German map and this man looked for me ... I was looking for someone to write for me ..."
T001894 - Tav/35 = 1986-07-14 Ish-Shalom interrogation
T001898 - Tav/36 = 1986-07-14 (?) Ish-Shalom interrogation
T001899 - Tav/37 = 1986-09-14 ish-Shalom interrogation
T001899 - Tav/38 = 1986-10-07 - referring to interrogation of 1986-09-17
T001900 - Demjanjuk: "The clerk there wrote down a name and I don't know what he wrote down. He found the name Sobibor in an atlas of the world."
Ish-Shalom: "The one who translated used the name Sobibor. But he couldn't remember who the translator had been."
T001902 - Tav/39 = 1986-09-24 - repeated references to Sambor/Sobibor
T001903 - tav/40 = 1986-09-28 - Demjanjuk recognized 2 fellow Red Army soldiers (Petro and Ivan)in 2 photos taken in 1941.
T001906 - Ish-Shalom talked to Yoram Sheftel on January 14, 1987 and then went to interrogate Demjanjuk on January 18, 1987, where he had a physical altercation with him concerning pictures of him and his wife in HaOlam Haze.
T001910 - Tav/41 = pictures of Demjanjuk and his wife in HaOlam Haze.
T001911 - Ish-Shalom sent 8 pictures (tav/43) to German police labs in Wiesbaden.
T001915f - Long discussion of letter of Bendarcyk of Warsaw, Poland with photo of Franz Stangel as Ivan Grozny. Correspondence is marked as Mem 2.
T001925 - Ish-Shalom team travelled to Germany, United States, Belgium but not to Poland or the Soviet Union.
**** END of Volume 3; BEGIN Volume 4 ****
Alexander Ish-Shalom; T001926 - 2089; 1987/03/09; Vol. 4
[1987/03/09, Mon.; T001926, Vol. 4; Ish-Shalom]
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T001928 - Eti Hai, Justice team coordinator, "is sitting with the prosecution team".
- two further helpers, Yehuda Lev and Shoshana ? for translating Polish.
T001951 - Members of the Knesset, Professor Lebaye and Eli Kulas interrogated Demjanjuk at length.
T001951f - Ordinary warders, Tetroshvili and Goldman reported that Demjanjuk said, "Eichmann was big and I was small".
T001969 - O'Connor: "So Colonel Ish-Shalom, even though you knew John had a lawyer from the very beginning, and even though he kept repeatedly saying he didn't want to speak until his lawyer was here - you continued to interrogate him under the conditions that you outlined previously?"
Ish-Shalom: Lawyer was not in Israel. "And I'm sorry I could not wait for his lawyer to arrive."
T001983 - Demjanjuk refused to sign any document, including the document to allow ther interrogation to be in English rather than Ukrainian. O'Connor asks if Demjanjuk's English was that good, why use Sobelman?
T001984 - O'Connor: "Isn't it true sir, that John Demjanjuk repeatedly asked you and other members of the team not to question him in English? To question him in Ukrainian?"
T001988 - Ish-Shalom did not allow Demjanjuk's request to kiss the ground.
T001990 - Presumably, Sobelman and Demjanjuk came from the same village.
T001991 - 3 guards watching him 24 hrs a day, light on all the time, TV camera, every 15 minutes, "Are you alright?". No direct heat in Demjanjuk cell in winter.
T001994 - Demjamjuk's health and safety were not Ish-Shalom's concern. It was the responsibility ogf Prison Authorities.
T002002 - Kaplan pretended to act as a direct conduit for letters.
T002011 - Because indictment must normally be laid within 3 months, the prosecution had to get an extension twice from Supreme Court Judge Maltz.
T002015f - Ish-Shalom doesn't "remember" priveleged material used to justify remanding Demjanjuk, contacts with USSR, Poland, etc.
T002018 - O'Connor: "... representatives of the Polish People's Republic were right here in the court room during the course of these proceedings?"
T002020 - Trawniki ID card arrived right after indictment was served Sept. 29, 1986. Ish-Shalom had the crimes lab people at Justice Department take it. Ish-Shalom claims his team had no contact with Armand Hammer about Trawniki ID card.
T002023 - Shaked failed to give Moscow-Jerusalem communication documents to the defense.
T002035f - Long discussion re 8 photos in tav/26, which presumably included the Trawniki ID photo. Lighter colors made button visible.
T002040 - Natan [Anatoli] Scharansky visited and talked to John Demjanjuk
T002042 - Israeli police questioned "Dov Freiberg with regard to the activities or potential activities or possible activities of John Demjanjuk in death camp Sobibor." By Mrs Radiwker according to Shaked.
T002045f - Ish-Shalom showed pictures to Shalom Cohen in July 1986; Yaakov Shmuelevitz and Martin Grey (the author) - showed them the two albums of 8 and 43 photos.
T002048 - Salom Cohen on June 7, 1986, "He seems familiar to me, the man in number 16. I can't identify him."
T002055 - Photo lineup should have at least 10 pictures
T002057 - Presumably, Cohen and Shmuelevitz were shown the photo lineup in 1976 - 78.
T002058 - Sheftel: "... HOwever, you had in your hands a picture from 1941. In the very course of events a picture which is not in dispute. The accused himself admitted that it is his. Why didn't you try to have photo lineups with the witnesses with this picture which is incontrovertibly his which is related to the historical period..."
Ish-Shalom: "I have no answer to that."
T002060 - "Its the tactics of the prosecution"
T002062 - "We didn't want to repeat identification lineups with people who had already taken part in one."
T002063 - Why not use the two pictures of Demjanjuk from 1947?
T002064 - Ish-Shalom: "Yes. In respect of these and the previous questions, yes, I acted on instructions from the prosecution."
T002071 - "in 1976, why at that time there were no live identification parades?"
T002080 - Apr. 7, 1986, "Mrs Radiwker showed Mr. Cohen an album in which there were 30 photographs and he refered to picture 16-2."
T002084 - Shaked: "Yes, he's [Cohen] on the list of witnesses." [???]
T002084 - Tav/44 = set of 8 pictures shown to Cohen, Apr. 7, 1986
**** END of Ish-Shalom testimony in Vol. 4 ****
Chil Rajchman; T002090 - 2374; 1987/03/09 - 1987/03/11; Vol. 4
[1987/03/09p, Mon.; T002090, Vol. 4; Rajchman]
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Spelling: Rajchman in transcripts; Reichman in verdict
T002090 - Sheftel protests to Rajchman as eyewitness because there was no record of the 1980-03-20 [12?] interview until years later [by Tom Fusi on 1987-02-13?].
T002096 - Born 1914-06-14 in Lodz, Poland; presently lives in Uruguay, South America; father, 3 brothers, 3 sisters; in textile business.
T002097 - After partition of Poland between Germany and the USSR in September 1939: "Many Jews left for the part which was occupied by the Russians at that time."
T002098f - Moved to Brushkov; later ghetto set up with 5:00 pm curfew; ghetto eliminated with women and children sent to Warsaw and men used as forced laborers; sent to Warsaw ghetto but escaped with sister and friends to Ostrovlubelsky till 1942-10-10, when Ostrovlubelsky, Lubashov, Barshev were "eliminated" and inhabitants "were led like cattle" to Lubartov where they were herded onto cattle railway trucks.
T002101 - "They were soldiers dressed in Ukrainian [dark brown] uniforms." "They were former Ukrainian prisoners of war held by the Germans and being supporters of Hitler and his gang, they were given the great honor to collaborate in the destruction of our people."
T002102f - The journey was from afternoon till 4:00 am when they arrived in Treblinka; 100 young men were chosen to haul bundles of clothes; then Rajchman was one of 5 volunteers as barber.
T002109 - As barber next day [Oct 12, 1942]: "Between the gas chambers, there was one chamber that was open on both sides and there, they arranged benches on which they put the victims. The victims who a few minutes later would no longer be alive."
T002111 - Ten barbers in that same chamber.
T002114 - Two friends - Goldfarb and Ettinger
T002115f - Group of 30 people taken to camp 2 to haul sand and pour it over corpses; workers who smoothed out sand over layers of bodies.
- later Rajchman carried corpses on stretchers to the pits
- still later he became a dentist, because he knew Zimmerman who was foreman of that detail
T002124 - Estimated they extracted 10 kilograms of gold each week.
T002125 - 3 or 4 meters between 3 gas chambers and well (where they washed the extracted teeth).
T002126 - "While I was washing teeth there together with Finkelstein next to this well, this demon Ivan came and with a drill", with which he bore into the buttocks of Finkelstein.
T002127 - "One year later  I participated in the uprising of the Polish government exiled in London" "When I was in 1944 in the bunker in Warsaw, hiding, ..."
T002131 - " ..., Ivan drove past with a horse and cart carrying products to Camp number 2." "He left the horse and cart and ran to his quarters to take out a long iron bar ... ran over to the gas chamber ... in time to beat up people ..."
[1987/03/10, Tue.; T002134, Vol. 4; Rajchman]
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T002135 - "This is the residence of Ivan. (It is the right hand corner of the building that the witness is pointing at.) [Red ink mark 10]
T002137f - Corridor in the middle; 3 gas chambers on the left; dentisten were on the right. When people were being driven into the gas chambers: "We were shut in by a door and we could not go into the corridor because of that door."
T002144 - I was standing here near the ovens ..."
T002148 - "The transports diminished between the 20th or 25th of December 1942 and the 10th of January 1943."
T002150 - Sometimes transports came in at night, the following day they found dozens of corpses in the corridor leading to the gas chambers.
T002151 - When there was no transport scheduled for the next day, they would not pump in the gas, so that people would suffocate slowly, "48 hours later all of the bodies were almost black."
T002152 - "..., there were 10 or 11 pits into which they would throw hundreds of thousands of Jews."
T002153f - Descriptions of "furnaces" - 50 cm high brick wall, 30 m long on which railway tracks were placed every 15 cm. First layer was of women; placed 2500 corpses onto structure
[Assuming 0.1 cubic meters/corpse this corresponds to approx. 250 m3 = 30 m x 10 m x 1 m high = 250,000 kg of corpses]
T002156 - "..., the Germans -- built 2 km away from Treblinka a second camp which was for smugglers, ..."
T002157f - Description of uprising [very little] and escape [long]
T002168f - Got to Warsaw, took part in Polish uprising on Aug 1, 1944 which failed on Aug 3, 1944; made a bunker and waited until entry of Russians on Jan. 17, 1945.
- Wrote his memoirs, later asked Herr Bomse to write; after war gave it to Yad Vashem; also gave it to Dr. [Tuvia?] Friedman, head of historical commission in Poland.
T002171 - (O'Connor) Rajchman's memoirs of 1944 as arranged by poet Nachum Bumse in 1946 in Lodz, Poland.
T002177 - Testimony goes back to burning corpses. "They used to light the fire with some dry sticks like toothpicks. They would be lit with a regular match and placed beneath the furnace and fire would start slowly, but then it would burn with such an intensity, that 50 meters away from the furnace, it was impossible to stand. Until the morning everything was almost burned in the furnace." - Made ash and powder of remains.
T002180 - "When the ditches were almost void of dead, they would place a thin layer of soil, a thin layer of ash -- layer of soil, layer of ashes -- and this was a sequence down to a height of almost 2 meters below the usual surface of the ground." The last 2 meters were normal soil with trees planted on top.
T002183 - Re Memoirs - O'Connor - Romanofsky rather than Reichman [Rajchman] on document
T002184 - The original 1944 Rajchman document does NOT EXIST. Yad Vashem only has the 1946 revised/edited version of Bomza.
Levin: The 1944 document. Does it exist or not?
Blatman: As I explained to the court, the original does not.
T002186 - Rajchman: "Only the day before yesterday at night did I read it again." [NOTE!]
T002191 - Chil Meir Rajchman had forged documents with the name Henryk Ruminowsky while in the Underground.
T002194 - Rajchman has a picture from Nov.-Dec. 1945 when he was part of a "historical commission of the Ministry of Justice of Poland" visiting Treblinka - Captain Kermish (now in Israel), Rachel Auerbach - they stayed in village of Kossov.
T002195 - At the feet of the commission in the picture: "Here are the bones of those dead whom the Christians dug up as they were digging for valuables such as golden teeth and such like."
[This contradicts his earlier testimony that all corpses were burned and pulverized.]
T002197 - Tav/45 = photo of Rajchman and Commission from Dec. 1945 visiting Treblinka with bones at their feet.
T002198 - On January 31, 1945, Rajchman returned to Lodz where he met his brother who had returned from Russia. He stayed in Poland until the end of 1946; moved to France [HOW DID HE GET OUT?] for 1.5 years; emigrated to Uruguay with wife, where he built industries.
T002199 - In 1980 American embassy contacted him by phone re Demjanjuk case; he phoned them when he came to New York and they [OSI] came to interview him, with tape recorder.
T002204 - One of the people who interviewed Rajchman [Tom Fusi?] will appear as witness.
T002206 - Rajchman's signature on the back of Demjanjuk 1951 photo is dated March 12, 1980. [On T002090 Sheftel gave interview date as 1987-03-20]
T002216 - Sheftel: Tom Fusi showed Rajchman the Trawniki ID picture on March 12, 1980 and Rajchman did not identify it.
T002217 - Tav/46 = photo set (Trawniki photo = 19c) shown to Rajchman 1980-03-12.
T002221 - Tav/47 = pages 482 and 483 of Rajchman testimony from 1981 Demjanjuk Cleveland trial.
T002223 - In 1939, Rajchman spoke Yiddish and Polish, now he also speaks Spanish and German.
T002228 - Ukrainians wore dark brown uniforms, the SS wore bright green uniforms.
T002228 - "Lodz was a city in which there lived 80,000 Germans and the relations between the Jews and the Germans were very good until 1939 to the point where Jews and Germans ran on the same ticket to the Polish SEJM and only after 1939 was there the great upheaval."
T002229 - At first, there were more Jewish volunteers for transport to Russia than room on the transports. Later on, rumors spread about extermination.
T002235 - "It was common knowledge that this was being done by the Germans and by the Ukrainians."
T002238 - In Camp 1 there were some 700 Arbeitsjuden including 5 old and 5 new barbers.
T002246f - Rajchman cannot identify the buildings on tav/5 so Gill is requested to use tav/4 which is already marked.
[1987/03/11, Wed.; T002265, Vol. 4; Rajchman]
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T002265f - Surprisingly, Rajchman seems to be completely lost, when it comes to identifying any of the structures on the map. The judges, prosecution and defense are all helping him.
- He never saw the schlauch; doesn't know where the diesel engine was, if their were two engines, etc.
T002283 - Gill: "..., do you know where the laundry was hung up to dry after it was done by the women that were forced to do this task?" [This is the first suggestion that there were women workers in the camp. Levin disapproves of the question but allows it.]
T002285 - Reference to Sonya Lefkowitz. Rajchman: "I don't remember where the laundry was hung."
T002288 - Rajchman can't recall an earthen wall between camps 1 and 2.
T002292 - Re Kurt Franz: "Unfortunately, yes I know. That was the assistant commandant of Camp I and II. The Assistant Commandant of Treblinka Camp. I also knew his dog." "His pleasure was to deal the sort of very strong blows so that the Jew would fall down and would have to get up immediately again in order to be slapped on the other side of his face. He had another name -- we called him Lalke."
T002294 - Interpreter: "Witness said: he slapped me on my face and I had to get slapped on the other side, too. He then addressed his dog and said: man, bite this dog! The man was the dog. And the dog was the man."
T002295 - Names Germans = Lalke, Mathes, Carlos or Gustav Spitzenger.
T002297 - Names Ukrainians = Tzaki Tzaki, can't think of any others.
T002299 - Gill: Was substance poured on bodies so they would burn? Rajchman: No. They would light dry twigs with a regular match and it would burn by itself.
T002313 - Names of 10 people in his escaped group - Kalman and can't remember others.
T002315 - after escaping, he met old friend Wlaslaw Jarocz: "Henrich you're alive." [His name was Chil. Henryk Ruminovsky was his later forged name.]
T002325f - Gill implies that the defense has a copy of the English-language translation of the 1946 Bomza-edited 1944 memoirs written by Rajchman in Yiddish.
T002327 - In the book, he did not use the term Ivan Grozny even one time.
T002329 - Nun/14 = Rajchman 1944 memoirs in Yiddish edited by Bomza in 1946.
T002332 - Only 2 references to Ivan in nun/14 - 2 m long whip; big horse. There is no mention of height, hair or round face.
T002337 - Sheftel points out that a report [by Tom Fusi] of the Rajchman - OSI meeting on March 12, 1980, explicitly states that the interview took place in English with no interpretation, whereas Rajchman, who speaks no English, insists that he spoke Yiddish.
T002340 - The report states that after identifying and signing Demjanjuk's 1951 photo, the OSI showed him another set of 8 photos, which included the 1941 Trawniki ID photo and he did not identify it. (However, in the 1981 Cleveland trial, he did identify it.)
T002344 - Rajchman doesn't remember Shlomo Hellman.
T002360 - Heads of uprising were Zello and Adolf; uprising began at 4:30 pm, Aug. 2, 1943.
T002367 - Rajchman saw that the small gas chambers were in flames.
**** END of Rajchman testimonyn in Vol. 4 ****
Arye Kaplan; T002375 - 2507; 1987/03/11 - 12; Vol.4
[1987/03/11p, Wed.; T002375, Vol. 4; Kaplan]
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T002375 - Israeli police division criminal investigations; arrived in Israel in 1973 and speaks Russian [not Ukrainian]
T002381 - Started "plant" role as warder on 1986-04-17
T002383 - Tav/48 = Kaplan report 1986-04-22
T002386 - Demjanjuk blamed Kaganovich for the 1933 Ukrainian Famine and used the word "zhid", which Kaplan considers derogatory.
T002390 - "Demjanjuk repeated a few times that the Jews had also been collaborators with the Germans and in fact mentioned the judenrat."
T002391 - Tav/49 = Kaplan report 1986-04-23
T002393 - O'Connor: still don't have the correspondence from Moscow to Jerusalem which was promised over 2 weeks ago.
[1987/03/12, Wed.; T002395, Vol. 4; Kaplan]
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T002396 - Tav/50 = Kaplan report 1986-04-27
T002397 - Demjanjuk claimed that the Commandant of the Treblinka camp [Stangel?] did not identify the photograph; [Stangel] said that the Ivan in Treblinka was Volksdeutscher, 40 years old with black hair.
T002398 - Tav/51 = Kaplan report 1986-04-28
T002401 - Tav/52 = Demjanjuk letter of 1986-05-05 to his dentist Dr. Gulzak.
T002402 - Tav/53 = Kaplan report 1986-05-19
T002407 - Kaplan was born 1947-06-05 in Vilna, Lithuania
T002408 - Speaks Russian, Hebrew and Yiddish; never knew Lithuanian fluently; doesn't know Ukrainian.
T002412 - Kaplan states that using the term zhid in the Soviet Union used to be a criminal offence.
T002413 - Kaplan: "It's correct that the official word in Polish for Jew is zhid. I repeat: in Russia it is a derogatory term."
T002438 - Nun/15 = sketch of Ayalon prison Tzedek wing (Demjanuk's cell)
T002442 = Demjanjuk's cell was a concrete bunker - floor, ceiling, walls were all concrete.
T002448 - Kaplan didn't receive instructions from Ish-Shalom to use a recording device.
T002454 - Artukovic "was the same person whom Ivan Demjanjuk remembered being very sick in the prison in which he, Demjanjuk, was himself in the United States."
T002455 - Reference to 85 year old Jew in Trieste with information; and to Garcia Ribes, Tuvia Friedman stating Demjanjuk was innocent.
T002461f - Discussion of photos of John Demjanjuk in Russian and Ukrainian newspapers.
T002467 - O'Connor points out that Ish-Shalom is sitting in crowd.
T002473f - Long discussion of censoring letters to and from Demjanjuk. Presumably, Demjanjuk wrote 3 letters to and received one from his family during this time - all were censored and deliberately delayed.
T002483f - Short discussion on telephone calls.
T002485f - Sheftel questions Kaplan re sequence - Demjanjuk was captured in Kerch, Crimea, forced labor laying railway tracks, transfered to Rovno, transfered to Chelm.
T002490 - Discussion of Vlasov Army - traitors or patriots?
T002506 - Nun/16 = Demjanjuk letter 1986-04-28 to family
- Nun/17 = Kaplan report 1986-05-05
- Nun/18 = Kaplan report 1986-04-29
- Nun/17 = Kaplan report 1986-04-29 Appendix
**** END of Kaplan testimony in Vol. 4****
Miriam Radiwker; T002508 - T002676; 1987/03/17; Vol. 9
[1987/03/17, Tue.; T002508, Vol. 9; Radiwker]
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[Miriam, Miryam, Maria; Radiwker, Radivker]
T002509 - "Maria" Radiwker arrived in Israel Oct. 30, 1964, worked in unit for the investigation of Nazi war crimes since January 1965, special contract in 1976, retired in 1976.
[See also DEMANUK.017 of Demjanjuk Files.]
T002510 - Prepared files for war crimes trials in Germany and USA; tracked witnesses.
T002511 - Superintendent Linksfelder [Langsfelder, Landsfelder] was head of division in 1976.
- "Well, in April, 1976, a secretary came into my room and brought me a list. It was a list which included 9 names, among the names was the name Fedorenko and the name Demjanjuk and she said to me that -- the secretary -- that I should as usual draw up notices for the Polish and Russian press, which is what I always did, and to other newspapers as well in Hebrew and in German [that she did] as the case may be -- and she said to me: you must decide what material to use in this investigation."
T002513 - Obtained permission to place ads on 25 April 1976 (in Russian, Polish, Yiddish and Hebrew press) [What about English?]
T002516 - Tav/54 = U.S. letters (1976-03-19, 1976-02-20) re Israeli aid to find witnesses against Demjanjuk and Fedorenko.
(Letter of Morris Kiley, the District Director of the New York District of the Immigration and Naturalization Service was received on March 30, 1976 and had 9 names including Fedorenko and Demjanjuk. The previous letter of Feb. 12, 1976, also had 9 names.)
T002518 - Tav/55 = U.S. directives re photo identification of Demjanjuk. (10 guidelines; both English and German versions were sent by INS.)
T002522 - Tav/56 = advertisements in Russian, Polish, Yiddish, Hebrew press calling for witnesses against Demjanjuk and Fedorenko.
T002523 - All witnesses were summoned by Mrs. Radiwker. "Nobody came of his own accord."
T002529 - "Until about the end of May, I had three such pieces of cardboared [17 photos]. And after that 3 more."
T002529 - T002585 - long discussion of admissability of evidence between judges, prosecution and defense.
T002533 - Tav/57 = photo set(photo 16 = Demjanjuk, 1951; photo 17 = Federenko) used by Miriam Radiwker.
T002555 - 4 deceased people: Turowski, Goldfarb, Linwasser, Hellman.
- (Regrotsky(?) testified in Cleveland trial.)
T002584 - Levin: "..., we overrule the objection of the Defense concerning the submission of the evidence and the statements, even of those witnesses who have since died."
T002585 - Radiwker took down statements in German. "And the Americans accepted this. In fact they never objected."
T002586 - First witness, Eugen Turowski (Turovsky, Turofsky) suddenly identified photo 16 (Demjanjuk, 1951) as being Ivan of Treblinka, Ivan Grozny; later he said photo 17 might be Fedorenko.
T002588 - O'Connor objects that none of the excitement claimed for Fedorenko is recorded in Radiwker's report [of 1976-05-09; 1:00 pm; T002616]
T002595 - Radiwker questioned Turowski on May 9, 1976 on Fedorenko and on May 10, 1976 on Demjanjuk.
T002597 - Radiwker: "I asked him." "Whether he remembered a Ukrainian by the name of Demjanjuk in Treblinka."
[It is certain that he never heard the name Demjanjuk in Treblinka.]
T002602 - Radiwker spoke both Polish and German to Turowski, which he understood well.
T002604 - Tav/58 = Turowski (Radiwker, 1976-05-10) photo 16 = Demjanjuk
T002605 - Tav/59 = Turowski death certificate, 1980-11-29
T002606 - Radiwker summoned Turowski and Goldfarb because she knew them, since they had been witnesses in an Eichmann-related case [Huntsche, Bossheimer and Hartmann].
T002609 - Goldfarb had been employed on the baucommando erecting the large gas chambers in Camp 2. The well was very close to the gas chambers, close to the engine room.
T002616 - Turowski - Fedorenko report was signed on 1976-05-09, 1:00 pm; Goldfarb interview started at 1:00 pm.
T002618 - Goldfarb presumably said, "It seems to me that I know this man Ivan", when he saw photo 16.
T002628 - Goldfarb testified: "... when it came to construction work, construction work that he had been involved in for 18 weeks they were building the larger gas chambers ..."
[This construction presumably started Sept. 1, 1942, such that completion date was presumably January 4, 1943.]
T002629 - Tav/61 = Goldfarb (Radiwker, 1976-05-09, 2:30 pm) photo 16 = Demjanjuk.
T002629 - Tav/62 = Goldfarb death certificate [date?]
T002630 - On May 11, 1976, Rosenberg "did not or could not come to me to the headquarters so I went to Ashdod to him." "At the port warehouse."
T002631 - Rosenberg said photo 16 looked very much like Ivan.
T002634 - Tav/63 = Rosenberg (Radiwker, 1976-05-11) photo 16 = Demjanjuk.
T002634 - Landsfelder (Linksfelder) sent a letter with the depositions of the 3 witnesses to the U.S. Immigration Authorities on May 14, 1976.
T002642 - Radiwker interviewed Frieberg and Meir Weiss from Sobibor on May 30, 1976, but they identified no one.
T002645 - Radiwker interviewed Shalom Cohen at 10:00 am, June 7, 1976 at police headquarters in Jaffa [whom Shaked hopes to have as a witness].
T002649 - Radiwker interviewed Greenspan [date?], but he identified only photo 17 of Federenko.
T002655 - Tav/64 = Arye Kudlik (Radiwker, 1976-08-15) non-i.d. photo 16. Since he was presumably in camp 1, Radiwker questioned him mainly on Federenko; deceased.
T002656 - Tav/65 = Kalman Tideman [Teigman?] (radiwker, 1976-08-17, 9:30 am) non-i.d. photo 16 [11 months in Treblinka]
T002657 - Radiwker took two depositions from Czarny re Federenko (1:00 pm) and Demjanjuk (2:15 pm) on Sept. 21, 1976.
T002661 - Tav/66 = Czarny (Radiwker, 1976-09-21, 2:15 pm) photo 16 = Demjanjuk.
T002664 - Tav/67 = Hellman (Radiwker, 1976-09-28) non-i.d. photo 16
- Tav/68 = Shlomo Hellman death certificate, 1984-08-21
T002670 - On Sept. 30, 1976, Radiwker aloong with Glucksam [Glucksman?] went to Haifa to interview Gustav Boraks, the barber, who recognized photos of both Demjanjuk (10:00 am) as Ivan Grozny and Federenko (11:45 am).
T002673 - Tav/69 = Boraks (Radiwker, 1976-09-30, 10:00 am) photo 16 = Demjanjuk.
T002673f - Radiwker interviewed the late Lindwasser at 9:00 am, Oct. 3, 1976 at police headquarters. Lindwasser identified photo 16 as Ivan and photo 17 and drew a diagram.
T002675 - Tav/70 = Lindwasser (Radiwker, 1976-10-03, 9:00 am) photo 16 = Demjanjuk.
T002676 - Tav/71 = Lindwasser death certificate, 1977-03-??
**** End of Radiwker testimony in Vol. 9 ****
Miriam Radiwker; T002677 - 2956; 1987/03/18 - 19; Vol. 5
[1987/03/18, Wed.; T002677, Vol. 5; Radiwker]
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T002677 - Radiwkwer was born in 1906 in Ukrainian village
T002677f - Excerpt from DEMANUK.017, which is a Critique of Willem Wagenaar's book "Identifying Ivan":
"Mrs. Radiwker was born in 1906. She was trained as a lawyer at the University of Krakow, and graduated in 1930. Subsequently she practised law in Poland and the Soviet Union, with an interruption during the war. In 1964 she emigrated to Israel,..."(W127)
Dr. Wagenaar fails to mention that she was born in a Ukrainian village called Latske (near Ivano-Frankivsk, Ukraine). Her parents fled to Vienna during WWI to escape the Russians but returned until 1923. From 1930 she served at the District Courtin Pinsk (Byelorussia). On Nov. 7, 1939 after the partition of Poland according to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, she crossed into the Russian-occupied zone and practised law in Tismanitsia (near Ivano-Frankivsk, Ukraine) until June 22, 1941 when Hitler invaded the Soviet Union. She fled with her first husband to near Stalingrad, where her husband was first conscripted and later deported to and perished in Novosibirsk for having been in the Austrian and Polish armies. She returned to Tismanitsia in 1945, remarried Yifsay Radiwker in 1946 and practised law until 1957, when she emigrated with her husband and daughter to Poland.(T02677)
There is a particularly puzzling piece of testimony regarding INS use of the German language: "When it came to America, they did not give us any negative response, on the contrary they sent their instructions in German and in German as well as English." (T02778)
T002683f - On Nov. 7, 1939, Radiwkwer escaped German occupation into the Russian-occupied zone. She practised as a defense lawyer in Stanislaviv (Ivano-Frankivsk) before Russian judges until the German invasion on June 22, 1941. She was then transferred east to around Stalingrad.
T002699 - From 1945 - 1957, she practised law in Stanislaviv under Soviet rule.
T002736 - Earlier, Radiwker investigated other Ukrainian Nazis - Huterchek, Amelia Stefaruk, Bizusky + others supplied by the INS.
T002738 - Radiwker was in Philidelphia for the trial of Vladimir Ossidof; Latvians: Hausneas, Mykofskias, Detlovas - for Hamburg
T002745 - Radiwker also investigated Desuski from Rovno.
T002749 - Radiwker doesn't know where or who made up the 3 cardboards with 17 pictures (photo 16 = Demjamjuk, 1951; photo 17 = Fedorenko)
T002750f - Long heated discussion as to who made up the photospreads, since in the 1978 Fedorenko Florida trial, Radiwker testified that she did. Finally, Levine allows O'Connor to reafd some of the transcript and submit 5 pages as nun/20.
T002764 - Nun/20 = pages 84-88 of Radiwker testimony at 1978 Fedorenko Florida trial.
T002766 - Radiwker long diatribe - Goldfarb: In Treblinka, but before the uprising he was no longer there; Rosenberg: said that he was there until the last day;
Czarny: He was in Treblinka up to the last day that I was there.
T002778 - Re use of German, Radiwker: "When it came to America, they did not give us any negative response, on the contrary, they sent their instructions in German and in German as well as English."
- All 14 witnesses interviewed spoke Yiddish, German and/or Polish; they all understood German.
T002781 - On the rare occassions when a typist was available, Radiwker would dictate directly to the typist, so that there would be no longhand report in this case.
T002792 - The Bosshammer, Hunsche, Hartmann case was 1968 - 1970, in which Turowski provided information.
[If Turowski was in Treblinka, what information would he have about these "desk" murderers?]
T002803 - Radiwker remembers questioning Hellman, Shalom Cohen [Kohn], Turowski, Rosenberg, Boraks and others. She got these names from Jurgen Klingberg in Berlin and the Polish Landsmanschaft.
T002807f - Mrs. Radiwker flew to the 1978 Fedorenko trial with her husband and Dan Glickson [Glucksam, Glucksman], her investigator; but the other witnesses were not on that plane. Mr. Weiss of the INS took them to a motel, where later the other Israeli witnesses also arrived.
T002812 - "The treatment of the witnesses, at Ft. Lauderdale, was something that I wouldn't have imagined possible." "It was harsh, it was unpleasant, ostensibly every witness a liar, a deceitful person, I cannot imagine, I cannot describe for you the kind of treatment they received, I have seen trials in Albany, in Philidelphia in America, I have never seen anything to match the kind of treatment they received."
T002813 - Judge [Rutger?] suspected that the witnesses had been coached.
T002816 - O'Connor: The 1978 Fedorenko and the 1981 Demjanjuk trials were twin cases - same investigator (Radiwker), same witnesses, same Treblinka setting.
[It is interesting that the U.S. Supreme Court ruling upholding the Appeals court decision to overturn the initial acquittal of Fedorenko in 1978 was on Jan. 21, 1981 -- just before the commencement of the Demjanjuk denaturalization trial.]
T002818 - O'Connor introduces letter written by Menachem Russek [Rusak], Israel, to Martin Mendelsohm, INS, dated Aug. 24, 1978, [presumably demanding that future Israeli witnesses be shown due respect]. Radiwker claims not to have seen it.
T002825 - Radiwker: "I am not feeling well." - The court session is adjourned.
[1987/03/19, Thu.; T002827; Vol. 5; Radiwker]
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T002833f - Sheftel brings up Radiwker statement of Jan. 23, 1986 to the police which states: "While identifying Fedorenko, Turowski pointed to picture number 16 and said that it might be Ivan the Terrible." Radiwker claims clerk made a writing error and she missed it before signing the document.
T002835 - Nun/21 = Radiwker's 1986-01-23 affidavit re Turowski i.d. of Fedorenko and Demjanjuk.
T002837 - Of all the witnesses, only Turowski claimed to know the name Demjanjuk. Why didn't Radiwker question him where he heard this name? Radiwker: "It didn't interest me."
T002840f - At the 1978 Fedorenko trial, Turowski pointed out someone else as the accused. Sheftel wants to submit part of the judgement describing this, but judges insist that only excerpts from the transcript may be submitted.
T002860 - Sheftel's request is finally overruled.
T002870 - Goldfarb did not mention the name Ivan, when he first said he recognized photo 16. One and a half hours later, when the name Ivan was used, Radiwker doesn't remember whether she or Goldfarb used the name Ivan first.
T002881 - Nun/22 = page 103 of Radiwker 1978 testimony at Fedorenko trial.
T002903 - Nun/23 = pages 69, 70 of Radiwker 1978 testimony at Fedorenko trial.
T002906 - Hellman was at Treblinka longer than any other witness - from June 1942 until August 2, 1943. Radiwker: "He was involved in construction of the larger gas chambers and this took him 18 weeks and afterwards when the larger gas chambers were ready, he began working near the gas chambers carrying corpses."
T002910 - Nun/24 = pages 147, 148 of Turowski testimony at 1978 Fedorenko trial
T002912 - Nun/25 = Shimon Greenspan (Radiwker, 1976-07-04) non-i.d. of photo 16 (although he worked in the stables)
T002915 - T002926 - MISSING
T002927 - "There is no statement of Mrs. Englezmann."
T002929 - Nun/28 = Meir Zeiss (Radiwker, 1976-05-30) non-i.d. Sobibor
T002936 - "... Hellman in his testimony of 1960 stated that he was one of those who burned the gas chambers in Treblinka and he also said that Ivan had been killed on the day of the uprising."
T002937 - Radiwker: "Rosenberg was pointed out by a different witness. [WHO?] When I asked him whether he knows other witnesses that had been in Treblinka, he told me that there is Rosenberg from camp 2 and that such and such is his phone number and he told me that he lives in Bat Yam."
[THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS REALLY IMPORTANT, because it is another indication of collusion between witnesses. Radiwker phoned Rosenberg several days before his interview on May 11, 1976. He refused to come to the police station, so she agreed to interview him at his place of work. Presumably, before phoning Rosenberg, she phoned Turowski and Goldfarb to arrange for their interviews. So she must have gotten Rosenberg's name and phone number from one of them. It is highly likely that these 3 people contacted each other before going to their interviews.]
T002937f - Radiwker says that neither Rosenberg nor Goldfarb told her that they had previously each given two depositions stating that Ivan had been killed in the Aug. 2, 1943 uprising.
T002943 - Tav/72 = pages 57, 58, 65, 66 of Radiwker testimony in 1978 Fedorenko trial
T002955 - Tav/73 = Turowski (Radiwker,1976-05-09)photo 17 = Fedorenko
**** END of Radiwker testimony in Vol. 5****
Yaacov Zigelboim; T002957 - 2984; 1987/03/19, Vol. 5; Vol. 5
T002957 - Levin announces rogatories will be conducted in Germany and Belgium.
T002958f - Surgeon in chief of the prison sevice, [born in 1940]. Demjanjuk has a scar in the lumbar (lower back) region of the spine received from an operation to remove grenade splinters in 1941.
T002960 - Tav/74 = 3 photos of scar on Demjanjuk's back, 1986-02-28
T002960 - tav/75 = 2 photos of tattoo removed from Demjanjuk's left arm, 1986-02-28.
T002961 - Zigelboim spoke Ukrainian to Demjanjuk, whose height is 180 cm.
T002965 - In 1977 Demjanjuk had stones crushed in urinary tract and earlier Demjanjuk had a double-sided hernia.
T002970 - Medical examination at exactly 12:00 noon on Feb. 28, 1986 lasted 45 minutes.
T002973f - Demjanjuk had scars from edema of legs from 1933 famine, which left scar on legs; inside of right elbow area from superficial bullet wound.
T002975 - Zigelboim was fluent in Ukrainian in 1972.
[Zigelboim emigrated from Ukraine in 1972 at exactly the time when there were massive arrests of Ukrainian intellectuals by the KGB for bourgeois nationalism.]
T002978 - Medications: Aluporinol for gout pain, ointments for hemorrhoids.
T002982 - Maximum possible loss of height is 2 cm.
**** END of Zigelboim testimony in Vol. 5 ****
DISQUALIFICATION REQUEST; T002985 - 3005; 1987/03/23, Mon.; Vol. 5
T002985f - Sheftel: "... for reasons that I'll detail in a moment, we have to request that you disqualify yourselves from continuing to hear this case ..."
T002994f - Shaked disagrees with request.
T002998f - Levine ruling: rejects the request.
Martin Kolar; T003006 - 3196; 1987/03/23 - 24; Vol. 5
[1987/03/23, Mon.; T003006, Vol. 5; Kolar]
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T003047f - Excerpt from DEMANUK.017, which is a Critique of Willem Wagenaar's book "Identifying Ivan":
"Martin Kolar was born in 1920 in Czechoslovakia. He did not receive any legal training, but had some experience with investigating Nazi crimes in the years 1945-47. He came to Israel in 1965 and was hired by the Division for the Investigation of Nazi Crimes almost instantly." (W129)
Dr. Wagenaar fails to mention that during WWII "All of my (Kolar's) relatives from the closest to most distant were exterminated by the Nazis in the camps. I was in forced labour camps in Slovakia." (T03063) From 1945 to 1947 he worked in Division 7 of the Regional Ministry of the Interior of Slovakia, Bratislava in a special Department for the Investigation of War Crimes: "I would be sent as part of the Czechoslovakian military mission to the American-occupied zone of Germany in order to help in locating those war criminals ..." (T03050). In 1947-48 he was editor of a monthly publication Hashomair Hazair (a socialist Zionist youth organization) concerning Israel and the state of affairs in Palestine. During the Slansky Trials of Nov. 1952, he worked in a coal mine. From 1954 to March, 1965 he worked in the official government forestry services.
Mr. Kolar speaks a multitude of languages: Slovak, Czech, Hungarian, German, French, Russian, Serbian, Hebrew, English. In referring to the language used in investigations, he states: "I took it in German as was our wont in this Department for the Investigation of Nazi Crimes." (T03017) His intimate relationship with the INS-OSI and, in particular, Norman Moscowitz (who was the trial attorney in the Demjanjuk Cleveland Trial in 1981) is typified by the statement: "This is a letter of the unit after we reorganized the unit or rather the Justice Department of America, it's not the Immigration Office any more, but the Office of Special Investigations, which is directly addressed to me."(T03023)
T003007 - Kolar is 67 years old; since March 1965 he has "been employed in the Nazi Criminal Investigation Department of the Israeli police."
T003008 - Kolar performed work for Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Canada, U.S.
T003010 - Kolar took over from the retired Radiwker in Feb. 1978.
T003011 - Tav/76 = U.S. letter 1978-02-13 asking Israel to interview Sonia Levkovitch and Yakov Shmuelevitz (from Maurice Kiley, INS to Menachem Rusak, Israeli police).
T003012f - Interviewed Sonia Levkovitch (who is to be a prosecution witness) on March 15, 1978. She referred to 2 Ukrainians, Ivan Grozny and Kolker, "who were engaged in operating the generator for producing electricity and the injection of gas into the gas chambers", and who were particularly brutal. She recognized photo 16 as Ivan and photo 17 as a Zugwachman [Fedorenko]. She also mentioned Biderman and Sasha Egar, a Volksdeutsche from Ukraine.
T003017 - Tav/77 = Sonia Levkovitch (Kolar in German; 1978-03-15) photo 16 = Demjanjuk (in Treblinka Camp 2 from Mar.-Aug., 1943)
T003018 - Levkovitch spoke Hebrew and Kolar wrote in German.
T003019 - Kolar showed Levkovitch page 3 of Tav/57, which includes photos 10 - 17.
T003019f - Kolar interviewed Pinchas Epstein on March 29, 1978, in which he mentioned Ivan and Fedorenko; Ivan and Nikolai under the supervision of Smith were in charge of pumping the gas and were particularly brutal.
T003022 - Tav/78 = Epstein (Kolar, 1978-03-29) photo 16 = Demjanjuk (in German)
T003023 - Letter from OSI dated Dec. 4, 1979: "This is a letter of the unit after we reorganized the unit or rather the justice department in America, it's not the Immigration Office anymore, but the Office of Special Investigations, which is directly addressed to me." - Asking Kolar to contact Eliyahu Rosenberg, Pinchas Epstein, and Sonia Levkovitch for Demjanjuk trial in Feb.-Mar., 1980, and to carry out identification procedures.
T003024 - Tav/79 = U.S. letter (dated 1979-12-04; received 1979-12-17) requesting Rosenberg, Epstein, Levkovitch at Cleveland Demjanjuk trial + Trawniki photo.
T003025f - On Dec. 25, 1979, Pinchas Epstein was interviewed by Kolar following the U.S. directives. Epstein identified the Trawniki ID photo as Ivan and another as Nikolai.
T003028 - Tav/80 = Epstein (Kolar, 1979-12-25, 11:00 am) i.d. Trawniki photo = "Ivan" (in Hebrew)
T003036 - Tav/81 = Rosenberg (Kolar, 1979-12-25; 1:30 pm) i.d. Trawniki photo = "Ivan" (in Hebrew)
T003038 - Tav/82 = Levkovitch (Kolar, 1979-12-27) i.d. Trawniki photo = "Ivan" (in Hebrew; in Treblinka Camp 2 Mar.-Apr., 1943)
T003038 - On Jan. 31, 1981, Kolar received a telegram from OSI with respect to Gustav Boraks of Haifa: "You are requested to investigate the possibility of his testifying. And ask him to try and identify a set of photos."
T003039f - On Feb. 3, 1981, Kolar interviewed Boraks (accompanied by son, Yoram): "I asked him to tell me what had happened to him in Treblinka. And I asked him to do that holding in my hand original deposition of 1976 and this was one of the surprises of my life. With what accuracy and what clarity he described his life in Treblinka, almost in the very same words he had used in 1976. His memory was astounding."
[Seeing that he was senile during his testimony in 1987, there may be other explanations for his astounding memory.]
T003040 - Kolar went with Boraks and his son to his home to get passports. Kolar was preparing to go to Cleveland that week.
T003043 - Tav/83 = Boraks (Aide Memoire of Kolar; 1981-02-03) i.d. Trawniki photo = "Ivan" [Note that Kolar did not get a signed statement.]
T003043f - On Dec. 22, 1983, Kolar was asked to question Eliyahu Rosenberg about the killing of gypsies in Treblinka. Kolar wrote down Rosenberg's date of birth as Dec. 22 [May 10?], 1924 from a 1960s statement. [Real birth date is May 10, 1921]
T003049f - O'Connor establishes that Kolar was born in 1920.
- "After the 2nd world war, I worked in the Ministry of the Interior in a special department for the investigation of War Crimes" from 1945 - 1947 under "special legislation to bring collaborators with the Nazis to court". Sent to American-occupied zone of Germany to search for war criminals.
[It is, thus, likely that Kolar was part of the repressive forces as described by John Sack, which tortured and killed innocent people who they accused of war crimes.]
T003052f - Discussion of Slanski trials - first show trial in November 1952
T003053 - "... - it was a mock trial of a whole series of people who held the highest positions in the country who were accused of deeds they had never, never committed. They were tortured and they were put to death. It was an atmosphere of violence and anti-semitism because the overwhelming majority of those accused were Jews and this case invited anti-semetic reactions at all levels of the administration and public offices. A great many people who had shown themselves to be valiant freedom fighters against the Nazis were dismissed from their employment and many Jews at all levels of employment were discharged and in this sort of atmosphere I saw that one of the ways out would be to volunteer for work in a coal mine."
[WHAT HYPOCRISY! Kolar is participating in the Demjanjuk Show Trial. Were not all the Jews in Czechoslovakia killed in the Holocaust? Where did they come from? How did they get into positions of power? How many innocent people did he destroy during his employment from 1945 -47?]
T003055 - Kolar: "... division 7 is one of the units of the Regional Ministry of the Interior of Slovakia located in Bratislava."
T003057 - From 1947-48, Kolar was editor of magazine: "It was a monthly of the Hashomer Hazair movement and most of the material and the information was concerning Israel and the state of affairs in Palestine leading up to the establishment of the State of Israel, and what was happening here."
T003059 - "Hashomer Hazair, it is a socialist Zionist youth organization."
T003060 - From 1954 to 1965, Kolar worked in the official forestry services.
T003063 - "I was in forced labor camps in Slovakia. No one could expect me to feel any form of sympathy to these murderers of my family. And I swore that if I got out of the situation alive, I would do whatever was in my power to bring my parents' and my family's murderers to justice."
T003064 - "..., the next day I had to present myself to the military authorities in Nurnberg."
[In other words, Kolar was a participant in the Nurnberg War Crimes Trials - one of the greatest show trials of the century.]
T003065 - Languages: Slovak, Czech, Hungarian and German from home, French, Russian, Serbian, Hebrew, English.
T003069 - Extraditing war criminals back to Czechoslovakia: "It was in both Wiesbaden and Augisburg that I fulfilled my duties."
T003084 - "I carried out a large number of examinations and a large number of identification spreads which never came to the stage where a trial was opened." - on behalf of the American authorities.
T003090 - Witnesses interviewed by Kolar: Shmuelevitz, Sonia Levkovitch, Epstein, Rosenberg.
[1987/03/24, Tue.; T003096, Vol. 5, 6; Kolar]
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T003104 - page 910 testimony of Kolar in 1978 Fedorenko trial states Rosenberg was interviewed on April 13, 1978, 12:00 noon in Haifa - Should have been in Jaffa, Kolar admits.
T003128 - Shmuelevitz spent only a few days or weeks at the camp and escaped. Levkovitch was in camp 1 until March 1943, when she was transfered to camp 2 to work in kitchen and later in laundry.
T003134f - INS arranged for Kolar and all witnesses to travel to Miami beach and stay together in hotel. Later, they were transferred to motel in Ft. Lauderdale [where Miriam Radiwker, her husband, and Dan Glucksan were staying].
T003147 - "In the hotel here and there, they showed me pictures of weddings of their children, and I saw that at the wedding of Levkovitch or rather of Rosenberg -- Levkovitch was there too and Epstein was there too. At Epstein's weddings, the others were there too. And from this I inferred that there is a warm friendship between them."
T003138 - Nun/29 = p.945 of Kolar testimony at the 1978 Fedorenko trial
T003149 - Who made up the Tav/57 photospread? Kolar states that the photos received from the INS "were pasted onto sheets of cardboard in our own office", not by any of the investigators but by the secretariat -- "they were put in safekeeping of Dr. Kende."
T003154 - Kolar investigated Latvian Ljudas Cajris [Cjaris?], but got nowhere in Soviet territories.
- a letter of April 10, 1980, from Norman Moscowitz directly to Martin Kolar re investigation of Ljudas Cjaris [Cajris?, Kairys?]
T003158 - "Haim Shtyer [Shtyre?] living in Australia identified Ljudas Cjaris as Ivan Grozny, the gas chamber operator in Treblinka." Shtyer was in camp 2 for 11 months.
T003164 - Kolar has been in retirement since June 1984.
T003167 - the statement of Rosenberg (concerning gypsies killed in Treblinka) taken by Kolar on Dec. 22, 1983, was used in the extradition of John Demjanjuk.
T003170f - O'Connor tries to submit a photostatic copy of a 1980 statement of Haim Shtyer claiming Ljudas Cjaris is Ivan Grozny. Levine disallows it. O'Connor says Haim Shtyer will appear for the defense.
T003179 - After the Fedorenko trial "the way Judge Norman Rutgers' remarks were interpreted and the atmosphere was very unpleasant".
T003182 - Shaked: Judge Rutgers presumably commented, "Really? I don't understand how it could be that 6,000 Jews couldn't get up there and somehow beat those 30 Ukrainians and few SS men." Rutgers questioned the credibility of the Jewish witnesses. Levine disallows such evidence.
T003185 - "On August 21, 1978, telex subject Nazi War Criminal Trials, Inspector Kolar of the Israeli Nation Police, Nazi War Criminals Department, requested the following message to be passed to Mr. Martin Mendelsohn, U.S. Attorney, I.N.S. New York as follows: following the recent discussions in Israel between Mr. Mendelsohn and Major Russak concerning the proceedings against Nazi war criminal Demjanjuk to be held in Cleveland, I.N.P. requests that I.N.S. represent the prosecution as promised to avoid the expected refusal of the witnesses to appear again in court in the U.S."
- Kolar was the courier who took the cable to the embassy, and also worded the cable.
T003187 - Nun/30 = cable sent by Kolar, 1978-08-21 to Martin Mendelsohn, INS, re Demjanjuk Cleveland Trial
T003187 - Kolar transmission of Aug. 24, 1978 to Martin Mendelsohn on behalf of Menachem Rusak: "I hope that you will find a proper way to organize the prosecution by the staff of your office as it was promised to the witnesses while they were still in Florida. This will help to calm down the witnesses from Israel and will enable the organization of the trial in a more congenial atmosphere than it was in the case I mentioned."
T003191f - It was a very unpleasant atmosphere in Florida. "And the next hearing, the Demjanjuk hearing, we did have an OSI representative, an observer on behalf of the OSI, who was a fully qualified lawyer present at the hearing."
T003195 - Nun/31 = Letter of Rusak (Kolar's boss), 1978-08-24 to Martin Mendelsohn re insuring a congenial atmosphere at Demjanjuk's forthcoming Cleveland trial.
**** END of Volume 5 ****
Martin Kolar; T003197 - 3267; 1987/03/24; Vol. 6
T003198 - O'Connor: Why did Kolar always write his reports in German even though he was usually conversing with his witnesses in Hebrew?
Kolar: Shortly before the Demjanjuk Cleveland trial: "At that time I already knew Mr. Moscowitz personally. I spoke with him in Hebrew and I saved the problem of translation that way."
T003200 - On Feb. 8, 1981, Kolar received instructions from the OSI that the witnesses not sit together on the airplane.
T003203 - Kolar claims that he did not know "officially" that the Trawniki ID photo was from the Soviet Union or even that the Trawniki ID card was from the Soviet Union. Although Kolar heard it from rumors and news reports, no one in charge of the investigation drew his attention to the fact. When he was carrying out identification procedures, he was not aware of the fact - either officially or unofficially.
T003214 - Kolar: "This whole connection with the Soviet Union I had no knowledge of." [SIMPLY NOT CREDIBLE!]
T003222f - "In the mid 70s, ..., I received a file about Walus", but the file was given to another investigator. Levine forbids further questioning in this area.
T003228 - Why did Kolar not use a tape recorder to record the conversations?
Kolar: The unit was too poor to afford such devices.
T003231 - Sheftel questions Kolar about April 13, 1978, interview of Rosenberg, pointing out that there is absolutely no mention of Ivan in the report.
T003235 - Sheftel reads from Rosenberg testimony from a few days earlier (Feb. 25 - Mar. 2, 1987) and Kolar disputes it: "Such wording, certainly not."
T003236 - Kolar reconfirms his testimony in the 1978 Fedorenko trial, where he states that Rosenberg did not point to any other picture.
[Contrary to Rosenberg testimony in this trial.]
T003237f - Kolar would like to see the whole of Rosenberg testimony at this trial. Kolar is shown pages 1161, 1162 of transcript and states: "This tone, this wording is just not true. Mr. Rosenberg never, ever used this sort of tone in addressing me."[T003240]
T003241 - Nun/32 = pp. 942-944 of Kolar testimony at 1978 Fedorenko trial
T003244 - Nun/33 = Rosenberg (Kolar, 1978-04-13) i.d. photo 17
T003245f - Long discussion that photo lineups in Israel require 10 photos, whereas Kolar used less. Kolar states that OSI guidelines required a minimum of 3.
T003249 - Nun/34 = p. 934 of Kolar testimony at 1978 Fedorenko trial.
T003250 - Kolar agrees that in carrying out his investigations of Fedorenko and Ivan, he was not concerned about the requirements of Israeli courts, but was solely lead by the guidelines of the OSI.
T003255 - Re defense counsel being present at photo lineups as required by Israeli and U.S. laws: "Throughout my service it was not common practise to do that."
T003256 - Discussion of 1981-02-03 [tav/83] identification session, where Boraks identified the Trawniki photo and repeated his 1976 testimony almost word for word, and where Kolar didn't write anything down, because the OSI did not ask him to.
T003264f - Dorner points out that wording in the original longhand of tav/82 is different from that in the typescript supplied by Shaked, which settles argument.
**** End of 1987/03/24 Kolar testimony in Vol. 6 ****
Martin Kolar, T003268 - 3306; 1987/03/25; Vol. 4
[1987/03/2, Wed.; T003268, Vol. 4; Kolar]
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T003270 - Nun/35 = p. 939 of Kolar testimony in 1978 Fedorenko trial
T003271f - Long discussion of why Kolar did not consistantly write down how long it took the witnesses to make identifications.
T003301 - Tav/84 = p. 946 of Kolar testimony in 1978 Fedorenko trial
T003303 - Tav/85 = pp. 929, 930 of Kolar testimony in 1978 Fedorenko trial
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