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UCC CMHR Part 3
| 07Apr2013 | Paul Grod [24:07]
Questions and Answers re
Meeting -- Winnipeg, MB -- April 07, 2013
Paul Grod, President of Ukrainian Canadian Congress
Taras Zalusky, Executive Director
Published on 24 Apr 2013
Continued from Part 2 -- Question and Answer session with
UCC President, Paul Grod, at town hall meeting in Winnipeg on
April 7, 2013.
[00:06 -- 02:10] Unknown #1 says that Federal government appointees to
Board were/are not sensitive to Ukrainian issues; therefore, put
pressure on Federal government. Another issue that is being ignored is
the forced repatriation of refugees to the USSR after WW2.
[02:11 -- 03:42] Paul Grod responds that UCC is indeed calling on
Canadians to approach the Federal government on this issue. Donors to
CMHR and "Friends of the CMHR" must also be informed that we are
[03:43 -- 05:04] Ostap Hawaleshka states that the CMHR was supposed to
show the immigrant experience in coming to Canada, but it is not
reflected in present CMHR plans.
[05:05 -- 05:16] Unknown #2 asks why, after 10 years of failure, we
expect to suddenly succeed?
[05:17 -- 05:45] Paul Grod replies that the Ukrainian community has
been consistent in its demands for the past 10 years, but we have been
[05:46 -- 06:59] Unknown #2 states that she is so angry she could spit.
Proposes Ukrainians take very harsh actions.
[07:00 -- 07:09] Paul Grod encourages Ukrainians to provide funding to
the UCC to pursue the issue and to approach their politicians.
[07:10 -- 07:27] Unknown #3 says the main issue is money -- "hroshi".
[07:28 -- 08:03] Paulo Grod states that, if CMHR coverage
depends on how much money each ethnic group contributes, then "we are
buying human rights", which is not acceptable. Ukrainian individuals
and organizations have contributed several million dollars in the past,
but have now stopped giving.
[08:04 -- 08:12] Unknown #4 says that we want something right now.
[08:13 -- 08:26] Paul Grod responds that he needs his money to help
place a $40,000.00 advertisement in the National newspapers.
[08:28 -- 08:40] Unknown #5 asks if we have any response from other
cities across Canada that support our concerns?
[08:41 -- 08:56] Paul Grod states that the CMHR is the top issue in the
Ukrainian community across Canada. We want to resolve the issue, we do
not want to be forced to demonstrate with placards.
[08:57 -- 10:54] Unknown #6 enquires on the role of the Harper
government in this issue? The Harper government cancelled financial
support for heritage languages and multiculturalism. They have no money
for these, but they do have money for the CMHR, which has pitted
community against community. The government should take responsibility.
Should we have given Mr. Harper a medal? Why has the government been so
bad on this issue?
[10:55 -- 12:12] Paul Grod states that is an excellent question. The
position of the politicians is that they cannot "interfere" in what the
board of directors of a "crown corporation" does. Frankly, that is not
an acceptable answer.
[12:13 -- 13:58] Kevin Lamoureux, MP for Winnipeg North, says that the
Holodomor has world wide significance. There are MPs from all political
stripes who support the Ukrainian position. The controversy surfaced in
November 2010, when the Contents Committee released its report. Before
that everyone assumed that things were fine. We need to continue to put
the pressure on.
[13:59 -- 14:27] Paul Grod states that we need to build momentum with
[14:28 -- 20:20] Bill Unknown #7 asks what is the strategy? Writing
letters is not enough. The government has only one major way of
influencing a crown corporation. It is via a "vote of non-confidence in
the Board of the CMHR" by the Federal government. Thus, the Heritage
Minister can do something. Paul Martin resisted making the CMHR a crown
corporation. It was Stephen Harper who did so. The Asper Foundation
wanted the Federal government to pay for the operating costs,
but to stay out of the governence of the CMHR. We should use
the "non-confidence" approach, while demanding the appointment
of several Ukrainians to the Board. He was involved in the original
negotiations in 2003, and the agreement reached at that time should be
binding on the crown corporation. It appears that CMHR
personnel were not aware of this agreement.
Our position should be: "They reneged on the deal".
[20:21 -- 20:29] Paul Grod appreciates these suggestions.
[20:30 -- 20:40] Ostap Hawaleshka thinks that a multi-pronged attack is
required. Being nice doesn't work.
[20:41 -- 21:01] Taras Zalusky, UCC Executive Director, says that over
80 MPs supported the UCC position. They have a petition on the UCC
website that people can download.
[21:02 -- 21:06] Paul Grod states that we must continue getting the
[21:07 -- 24:07] Scrolling text shows the changes that UCC wants made
to the CMHR displays. "Call to Action" suggestions. (Repeated in